Q. She. I think that she has done enough time and should be released. I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. Is it too late to respond to this? Or can have an accomplice. Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. Right away, the police asked her to go back to the crime scene even thoughshe did not want to leave her children behind. Detective Welch reminded Diane of the assault her sister witnessed in February 1983, in which steve Downs broke Dianes tailbone (Appendix 74, page 1025). It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs.. The trouble reportedly took place a day earlier when Sean Preston allegedly was behind a locked bedroom door and Jamie broke down the door to get in and then "violently shook" the child, The. After parting ways, the couple would soon meet again in Arizona which would end up in them reigniting and reconnecting their fling. The next day, on June 16, 1983, CSD terminated Dianes visitations with her children altogether. Page 10 of Case History. It goes on and on. Not even the gun. I would like to see her released because I do not believe in life without parole for any inmate with no priors who had a good conduct while incarcerated. I cannot be more transparent than that and integrity was one of the missing pieces of the entire case. It should be illegal to use real names and facts from a criminal case while influencing the publicto falselybelieve that the whole content of the filmis true. If, as Proctor said, it was exchanged right away, and the other Ruger was subsequently stolen by Steven, how was it remotely possible for him to have this info? According to Glamour, the motive given for why Diane shot her kids was thought to be because the married man she was seeing at the time did not want any children. She has been in prison for so long that we dont know what her mental health situation is so it is a moot point for me. The fact that the children were in no way protected by Child Protection Services is undeniable. You are not the only one who thinks she is guilty and I know that getting their man at all cost is a popular mantra, but I disagree. She was the star witness in her mom's prosecution and her testimony helped convict her. Its too late for me to call myself a murderer (when I am not) just to purchase my freedom. They said so and were told to go back to deliberate. Without the media blast and rush to judgment from the police and DAs office, we might have uncovered the truth. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. Not our place to decide. I hope they have. Fingerprints at the crime scene were not produced by the State. According to the state, the shooter was well inside the car and would have had gun powder on its clothing, body or hair if 3 people were shot in the car at close distance. Who Wore it Better? It has nothing to do with the facts of the case. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular: this blog is clearly one sided. To Lisa Griggs I think u need to read the facts. Fred Hugi is a man of the highest integrity and I hope that Dianes surviving two children finally found the love and stability they had been denied by their natural mother. He has lived a life outside the public eye and hasnt ever come out to give interviews to the media about his ex-wife. She has been denied parole 2x and is up again in 2020. Diane herself stated Cheryl was asleep on the front floorboard completely covered up with Dianes jacket how the hell did a stranger or a hitman(one of Dianes OTHER stories) KNOW Cheryl was there. Her older two children have remained out of the public eye. Gunpowder is one of the toughest stains around, when it comes to removing it from clothes. Whenever your shoot a gun that many times and that close to the victims, theres going to be blood and powder residues. Her character was also too much on the forefront. I almost felt bad for her.that being she seemed so lost in her lies..she just hangs in limbo now. Jen Taylor . The reason she is likely locked up is because she was diagnosed with narcissistic, histrionic and anti social personality disorder, that makes her a very dangerous person (especially since she is a murderer). I am interested in the truth. Steve Bannon won't be detained before trial on charges of contempt of Congress after he failed to comply with subpoenas from the House committee investigating January 6. I am not saying she is innocent. You are wondering about the question why didn't steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. The former Dallas Cowboys cheerleader sparked a romantic relationship with Howey and shortly after her career took off with a little help from the Something Borrowed actor's father, who was an. The pilots we did dealt with Japan going over the quotas of hunted whales and a company dumping toxic waste into the ocean But it didn't work out because the stock footage they were using. However, he had no interest in taking care of Dianes children. If you had commented on one of the elements contained in the blog, it might have been enlightening. We could say that it was suggestive on his part, but considering how this trial was conducted, I tend to believe it happened. That is pure bullshit. The case of Diane Downs and her three children is one of those a horrible tragic case that people still think about 37 years later. During a trial, we have to go with evidence only. But as usual, it was slanted in the worst possible way. Even though his wife shot their children multiple times, and the case was national news, he never surfaced and kept a low profile. The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). We will never know what really happened because the authorities acted too hastily and the media was a huge hindrance. Wasnt he the stranger? Here's what we know. One of the flaws was the relationship between the DA and the children. Lise do you know if the kids have ever reached out to the grandparents/family in the last few years? The fact that the Hugis did so successfully is arguably proof of this. For all you readers of this blogger, I lived through the Diane Downs case. She did not fit in and was now anxious to assert her independence and live her own life. And thats fair enough. We cant. As you might know, Dianes father passed away after many years of anguish over the fate of his daughter. That same gun turned up at a police raid years later in Perris, California, and it did not match the ballistics from the shooting site. There were a few calls and on one occasion, The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings , So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. No. Common sense will tell this Court, when Diane accidently slammed her mangled arm into the steering wheel of Detective Tracys car, it was ANYTHING but a laughing matter. 2. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. but I think there are some extreme cases that knock women in a bad psychotic way that can be life threatening. You indicated you were not going to get a divorce? It was also said at trial that the shooter would have been left handed, which was not the case for Diane. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. Copyright 2023 Distractify. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular. Any thoughts on that? As her brother mentioned, it would not be that farfetched for his sister to stop for someone considering that she was a person who lacked impulse control and the era. Aint no one gonna tarnish my guys lol. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? If appropriate family members could not be found to take placement of the children then family friends are the next step. Regina, I love your comment! And that Ann Rule took advantage of the situation to sell her book. I feel sorry for Diane too. I would like to raise the numerous issues with this blog. During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. Wrong. The detectives took Diane to the crime scene and were able to retrieve shell cases on the ground where the incident happened. Agreed. A sick kid who had a stroke and traumatized being pressured for weeks to remember her mother killing her? As soon as Diane was found guilty, Hugi demanded that Diane be evaluated by a psychiatrist before sentencing so they could declare her a dangerous offender and give her a stiffer sentence. According to various sources, Steve chose to separate from his wife after discovering that Stephen Daniel, their third child, was the product of her wife's relationship with a colleague. You simply are a rude individual looking for a reaction. You can check this link and go online to see her picture with Cheryl and the rest of the family. While Rules book is biased, it was a look into the view of those who wanted justice for those children, wether you agree w/ their conclusion or not, that was their goal. How asinine. Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. Nobody had any reason for a conspiracy of this magnitude over a literal nobody. It was not unlike brainwashing. So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. He should have let someone else handle the case or let someone else adopt the kids. I remember when Diane shot her kids and there are some facts Id like to correct from your blog. The board said that her mental or emotional disorder makes her a danger to society. I am not biased. Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. Mr. Great question. No conflict of interest from a prosecutor adopting a defendants children 2 years after the fact? No matter how much Ive read, or how many of her constant at the time interviews I watch on YouTube, the things that come from her brain to her mouth never cease to amaze me. He had an attorney, Fred G. Campbell Jr., send us a letter denying our request and telling us: You are legally, as well as factually, a stranger to them. Who does he think he is? An attractive woman whose two children were killed in mysterious circumstances and the cops decided to go after her. The tape of Christie and her adoption by the prosecutor are facts. This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke Its my opinion that this young woman has been judged in a way that signifies something to do with how we view women in our society. When Diane had failed to mention it herself, he even informed them that she had bought a .22 caliber shotgun in Arizona, just before she had left for Oregon. As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. They both would fall in love and decide they want to marry each other. Diane and her family fought for them but were blocked from day one. The casing from the bullets exactly matched, just like a fingerprint, the bullets that Diane had in her home from her own gun which was never found.
'Leave It to Beaver' star Tony Dow explains why he wasn't allowed to Except for Paul Cortez. Her case was too public and they are afraid of public backlash. Hysteria. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. Maybe she didnt want to admit she was there for drugs, but you need a really tiny brain to worry about that in such a situation. But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not matchand the detective lied on the stand about it. We dont know. So, what happened to the children's father? Not in this case.
7 chilling clues in case of Diane Downs after she told cops a stranger this is your 2nd quote which contradicts the first one .. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. LMFAO!!!! McPherron: And you had no contact with her . That they did not test the outside of the car? I think it posible she brought the kids there to be shot by someone else. (Appendix 3). I refer you to this section of the blog: They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. Detective Antoine also performed a trace metal test on Diane I S hands to detect the presence of trace metals left after someone has touched or held something metallic like a gun (Appendix 65). Where are Steve Downs children now? What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. This is not my scenario Tasha. Within a few weeks, the kids who had survived were placed in protective custody and were no longer in Steve's care. There were days she was unhappy to see the staff and her family because she was very ill. That poor girl had a lot of bad moments where she would cry constantly or trigger the machines and to have defined this single incident as one of terror instead of excitement over seeing her mom was biased and self-serving. I dont care what Diane Downs says at the parole board hearing, except if she is innocent or guilty. It appeared rigged and the fact that Ann Rule sat in the courtroom ready to produce a Masterpiece of Guilt could only help the prosecution. Where to begin? That towel should have been soaked in their blood not hers. I can only imagine to absolute horror of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca during their horrific murders. No conflict of interest there? I do not know what happened on Old Mohawk Road on that dark evening, but I know that they did not have enough evidence totry andconvict Diane Downs. Saying that I seem to be doing what I accuse Ann Rule of doing is kind of ironic because the point of this blog is to try to stay away from innuendo and fantasies like unicorns and songs that might have been playing or not during a tragic murder. Whether it tugs at your heartstrings or angers you to the core, these stories could have happened years ago, and they still take up space in your memories. She was expelled and reunited with him against her parents wishes. I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? I asked her brother James an answer to your question. Seeing her giggle and laugh during a videoed reconstruction gave me, as a mother, a sickening feeling. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business. The fact that she was driving five miles per hour to the hospital says it all as a mother myself, I dont care how hurt or mentally damaged I was, I would drive that car 100 MPH to get my children to safety. Who is Elizabeth Diane Downs, Steve Downs ex-wife? Every single one of these questions matter. When they recaptured her, she was very docile. You can click here to read about the case of Alice Crimmins during which the lead detective was heard telling the other cops before the bodies of the children were ever found:You take the husband, Ill take the bitch.. She managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. And after Diane left Arizona she didnt call Knick to inquire about his love, but rather about when he would repay the $500 (Appendix 81, pages 1479-1480). They were in a group home and he was getting unsupervised visitation with them. She said a bunch of really stupid things in the media (my kids were lucky, not me gets the palm) and basically bury herself. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. Press J to jump to the feed. In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. Children imitate their parents every move. Yet in their mind, she was already guilty. GSR can easily fall off just by brushing your hand against a surface. How.. they attacked him. He separated from his wife and was going to follow Diane who, by now, had decided to move and work in Oregon to be closer to her parents. She was found guilty. The rest of the family? This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive. http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n364/a03.html // Prison-happy U.S. must reconsider use of mercy; Carol S. Steiker, professor at Harvard Law School, Sep. 10, 2008 , http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080910_Prison-happy_U_S__must_reconsider_use_of_mercy.html // US Prison Population Soars to 2.3Mln People at Annual Cost of $7Bln The US prison population has soared to 2.3 million people costing the government more than $7 billion per year. Once again, Diane said a lot of things. If the adult can show capacity and willingness to provide care, love and nurturing to the children, then there is no legal reason to prevent them from becoming Foster Carers. You are wondering about the question why didn t steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question.
15 Things Parents Didn't Know Could Cause Them To Lose Custody - BabyGaga One of the jurors finally declared we started as a group and finished as a group., He also said we dont want to put pressure on the group, we dont want to end up bickering. ), years in solitary confinment Whats wrong with us?! But what happened to Diane Downs' husband? In the moment of who shot youmy momhave a hard time believing that could be coached. At the time, among 49 prisoners denied parole, the board had given only four inmates, including Downs, a 10-year wait. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture: relevance? In fact, Knick admits Diane took that gold chain as collateral against a $500 LOAN she made to him. http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC // The Prison State of America Dec 28, 2014 Chris Hedges, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228 They hardly investigated any other lead after a couple of weeks. Anne Rule might have inflamed the case with her book Small Sacrifices and her theory of the crime, but in reality, the case of Diane Downs was no small sacrifice. It is beyond belief that the State of Oregon allowed the prosecutor to adopt those children. As she walked away, Detective Welch called after her, If you dont testify against Steve, youre going to lose everything. Diane turned back to say, Show me proof, and walked away. Jennifer Hudson didn't lose custody of her son David Jr. because she was an unfit parent, but rather because her work commitments meant she had to temporarily relocate to film The Voice UK. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. So she could not have shot her kids at the distance determined by the state unless she changed her clothing and it did not come up at trial. They came up with an explanation as to why this was the wrong gun but the jig was up. Where is Diane Downs' husband now? I go through every new finding and I point out what was done at trial that did not respect due process. Or that they are not even curious about it. My problem with the circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children is that they were twisted by the media. You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? She is nowhere near being paroled and if she admitted guilt, I am not even convinced they would release her. I agree. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. The US is a very strange bird when it comes to crime and punishment. Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. You paint a picture that is actually inaccurate and misleading. I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. Click 'See First' under 'Follow' Tab to see Tuko.co.ke news on your FB Feed. And the motive? Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. But in this case, she had no blood on her body or her clothing. She has come a long way. At the very least, she should have been released by now. I think DD is guilty, but I also think her trial was far from due process, and that is the important issue. In reply to Nick.
Love Island's Jay Younger reveals what you DON'T see on the show Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? Danny downs did indeed say a man shot him he also blamed a cartoon character. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. She is currently in prison, serving her life sentence for the murder of one of her kids and attempted murder for the other two. The detectives and the state failed to act properly and it should not be an accepted practice. You need to have your own voice," she said. And she laughed at it by saying it was healthy to want to join the free world, especially if you proclaim your innocence. woman quot~ unquote, do you remember anything like that? The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. Ann Rule did not leave a great legacy as far as honest reporting goes, and she is not the only one to have commercialized a criminal case for personal gain. From the time Diane was a teenager, when a physician ordered visterol in an emergency room situation, it has been documented again and again that sedatives ingested while Diane is in pain, provoke a chemically induced hysteria in her. Page 35 of Case History. Problem with that is Diane has said during an interview with detectives that the sketch looks nothing like what she described. 1st, you came back from a trip? In 1984, Diane was convicted of the death and injuries of her children, and she was sentenced to life in prison. Dianes injury had to be quite painful and shewas in shockwhile driving to the hospital and accompanying the detectives to the crime scene. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. James C. Jagger who was hired by Dianes father was an ex-Prosecutor. Id have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico. Ive done my research. She said She did it. Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. If he was getting too close to the witness emotionally he should have stepped away from the case. had to wait for Christie to be able to tell them who did it. Are you still taking comments by email? Sad situation. What was the justification? Two jurors had voted that Diane was not guilty of attempted murder or first-degree assault, but endedup voting to convict her of murder. I am sorry but I got to laugh a little. Reasonable doubt is most certainly lacking. While I appreciate your empathy for the victims of this crime, I have to wonder if all murderers should be locked up their entire life? Foote ruled in favor of the prosecution and against the defenseon most of the admissible evidence questions including all the nurses notes about Danny talking about a man shooting him but admitted Christies reports about her mother shooting her. The last time I checked, it is my website and if you find it tiresome, no one is inviting you to stay or read the content; which you evidently did not read anyway. She attacked her husband and ripped his neck open in a jealous rage (Appendix 81, page 1520), tearing from his neck the gold chain he still wore from his first marriage (a gift from his first wife). What I explain in the blog is that the fact that Foote is the one who removed the children from Dianes care is exactly why he should NOT have been presiding over her murder trial. Additionally, homicide or assault victims shot by someone else can test positive for GSR. There is a court sketch artists rendering of him in this video. Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. This case certainly had its share of circumstantial evidence. WTF? She followed all the correct Parole Boardprocedures for two years with no hearing. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom: I guess? As it was getting dark and the young ones fell asleep in the car, their mother decided to head home. However, Steve later discovered that Danny wasn't his biological son and divorced his wife. Are her parents still living (I know they were a few years ago)? Q. Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling. .well yay for youtubelol..is when I first heard her in old interviews. Right after her first surgery, The Detectives were adamant that they HAD to have Diane right then to recreate the incident- unless of course, you have something to hide. It is not a hatefest and I do not wish death or life without parole on anyone. It is called a conflict of interest. Steven and Diane married on November 13, 1973. The whole blog claims the trial was flawed. Indeed, Diane Down's murder case was a shocker for detectives. It was the story of Diane Downs. The whole case is crazy. Only the people who present ongoing threats to the safety of the public in general are the ones this sentence is reserved for. Substituting reasonable inference and evidence for tarot cards? Teams of people and detectives combed the area for months looking for the gun but it was nowhere to be found. Its more boring to tell the truth and the readers might not have flocked to read a fair story without no real heroes and villains. Whether or not Mrs. Frederickson could have attacheda clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. Fitness fanatic, 27, broke her spine lifting weights but didn't realise until she woke up the next morning unable to move - and why her terrifying injury should be a warning to all gym-goers The proverbial expression It takes two to tango applies here. Check your inbox to be the first to know the hottest news. These women did not show emotions and did not fold when asked to. They rarely get a break. Q. Then ask yourself if thats how you want your son to grow up. Conflicting reports say Downs also acted as a surrogate during her fourth pregnancy, giving birth to a daughter after her trial in 1984. Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). I state that it is not my place to judge innocence or guilt. To listen to Christies taped conversation, click below. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. You make an interesting observation when you say: Anyways. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.. I would love to hear your answers to them. But I would not know what her state of mind is because I did not witness it. It was very unfair to raise them away from their grandparents and other blood relatives. The two kids who had survived the attack were placed for adoption and Steve was no able to care for them. Mr. Jagger said it wasnt t enough to know a witness had lied, but she would have to prove it. What about the son saying that man and nurses noting that.
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