Assemble Anywhere KJV Churches The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. There are a couple places but, they're all pretty much much secular and worldly. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this (Genesis 2:24; Genesis 19:5, 13; Genesis 26:8-9; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:26-29; 1 Corinthians 5:1, 6:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4). 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. I had a free apartment, food stamps, government phone, and a $60.. utility check every month. I do think that you can drink but you just cant be drink which is a legalistic problem within most Independent Fundamental Baptists. Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? Yes. [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? They simply do not know and probably lack the ability to do the research, but Cyril I. Scofield was a Confederate soldier who left his wife and two children and later remarried another woman. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. Its pure manipulation. 4. ? God Bless. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). 54. (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). People can ask for clarification if they want. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. All I do is reply to comments. 2. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. Hope you have a great day! 26. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. I dont agree with this because there is nothing wrong with going to college. Did you read it? Its the inspired word of God. Pastor and his wife paid for reception, photographers, and and shower. If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. I lied just to get government support saying My child and I live alone. I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. We believe raising your hands during warship is appropriate, but the Bible specifically says to bow the head 2 Chronicles 20:18. All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. All people need to do is humbly ask for one. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. There isn't much out there on the web. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. Im truly sorry for those who were mistreated and sorry if bitterness is hurting you now. Laws Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. THESE SERMON OUTLINES By Michael D. ONeal, Founder and Pastor Since 1986 Of. We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. Independent Fundamental Churches of America I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Cleveland Baptist Church - Cleveland, OH - Pastor Kevin Folger ; Community Baptist Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. WebActs 15:36,41; 16:5; I Corinthians 16:1; Galatians 1:1-3; Revelation 1:4, 10, 11. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 Haha, thanks for the confirmation! Being a IFB preacher, I confess a lot of truth here. (2 Cor. I found myself laughing at quite a few of these because they are things that I used to believe. 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. If your pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body but is himself an obese glutton, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 25. My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. 10. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 31. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. Wow! We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! What is a Fundamental Independent Baptist Church New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. This is an assumption.. Independent Fundamentalist Baptists are a creepy, WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. Its insidious and extremely toxic. Copyright 2002-2023 Got Questions Ministries. From my perspective turning people away from the IFB is turning them towards God. BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. They try there best to live for Christ and to give God the glory for everything. The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. This is just another sidetrack from the gospel of of Christ.We are to love one another and build up the church. You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. If you believe that your health issue is the result of sin in your life, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 49. Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. When this life is over, it doesnt matter! Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. Independent insidious I like that word. Many on here were saved at a IFB church. 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. Independent Baptist - Wikipedia Every time I got to a low point in my life, I knew that I could count on the church to be there for me. God Bless. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. I truly dont understand this one, ha! Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. I was married when I attended before and now as a divorced woman, I know I probably would be looked down upon. My jabs are defensive in nature. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 I love the Lord with all my heart-I attend church when I want and where I wantbut mostly I have bible studies with Christian friends in coffee shops, homes, and restaurants and (I usually have on a pair of blue jeans. IFB people as a whole, are generally willfully ignorant people. Its not an Old Testament Law vs New Testament issue. Sin is sin and the Holy Spirit works in us to pinpoint where we need to change and this happens while we are in the word. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. In thinking back, I see that the church was filled with tiny idols like that. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. Matthew 6:14-15 is a warning not a command. Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. 24 Blind guides! If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. 5 Everything they do is for show. The last pastor I had, at Mountain, would yell sometimes on his sermons to make sense of humor since most of his sermons were pretty funny but never pounded the pulpit. Me and my husband got saved 3 1/2 years ago at an IFB church. What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. Independent Baptist - RationalWiki If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. Mind your own business. If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. Or deciding not to clap for special music? Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. People need Jesuswhats the big deal? My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. Praise the lord for forgiveness. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. Thanks for reading! WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). (II Corinthians 12:12; I Corinthians 13:8; Hebrews 2:3-4; Mark 16:17-20; I Corinthians 1:22, 14:21-22). Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. Constitution and Some of these are humorous and right on the money. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. Baptists are people of the Bible and not fellings. If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. (Matthew 22:15-22; 28:19-20;Romans 13:1-7). I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. N/A I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. The lost in the world watch us Christians closer than we know. That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. 25. Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. Their testimony is great Im sure they won more people to the lord than you. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. I already know where the IFB is coming from, I was indoctrinated in their dogma for 25 years. If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. You can read more about it here: https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, I never said the IFB is a cult because some IFB churches may not be the best. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. Gods will was for me to forgive. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. Its never spoken but up there to read. No, because thats not Gods will. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. They knew it would be an investment in your giving and service to them (yes they are that evil). People are people and free to choose their own way. I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. The Baptist Fundamentals and Hermeneutics The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) Get over it and work to rebuild the relationships instead of tearing down. Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. I dare say it would be the one you enjoy making fun of. I have read other versions of the Bible. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. We believe the Blessed Hope of our Lord's return is literal, personal, visible, imminent, premillennial, and pretribulational. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. They were so grieved by the fact that they had broken a 30+ year record of being at church three times a week. If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? Many of these are down right untruthful . We forgive people, but only God can forgive sins. 32. Plus they pray to the saints. Every child of God has equal access to their Heavenly Father. In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. I know the answers now. This is the only church Ive been to, so I just awsume all Churchs are loving, caring, forgiving, honest, and strive to bring glory to god and its just sad to here that thats not the case. THE LAST THINGS All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. We even have TWO. I was taught that I needed to let God change him. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). We will never attain that on this side. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. My writing tends to be somewhat heavy and serious so every once in a while I like to add some humor to lighten things up a bit. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. JUDAH. 6 Dont waste what is holy on people who are unholy. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment.
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